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Episode 88 Emily Holdman, Permanent Equity

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Emily Holdman

Permanent Equity

Emily Holdman discusses the firm’s long-term investment philosophy, her journey from journalism and marketing into private equity, and how Permanent Equity’s patient capital model sets it apart in the market.

May 27, 2026 53:56
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Episode 64

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Chris Hendriksen

Pacific Lake Capital

Chris Hendriksen, Pacific Lake Partner, discusses search funds, VRI growth, and operator to investor shift.

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Episode 63

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Steve Gurgovits

Tecum Capital

Steve Gurgovits of Tecum Capital discusses his background, banking tenure, and evolution into private equity.

February 12, 2025 47 min 55 sec

Episode 62

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Scott Estill

Lancor

Scott Estill discusses his career in investment banking, private equity, and early work with The Beastie Boys.

January 29, 2025 49 min 30 sec

Episode 61

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Randy Schwimmer

Churchill Asset Management

Randy of Churchill Asset Management discusses the evolution of non-bank financing for middle market companies.

January 7, 2025 46 min 15 sec

Episode 60

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Pat Galleher

Boxwood Partners

Boxwood Partners' Pat Galleher discusses his career, golf, meeting Tiger Woods, and business mindset.

December 12, 2024 47 min 17 sec

Episode 59

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David Walker

EBSCO Industries

EBSCO CEO David Walker discusses the $3B family business (info services, industrial, real estate) and his life.

November 19, 2024 46 min 23 sec

Episode 58

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Marty Mannion

Summit Partners

Marty Mannion, Chair of Summit Partners since 1985, discusses his path from the Bronx to private equity.

November 5, 2024 56 min 8 sec

Episode 57

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David Santoni

Audax Private Equity

David Santoni discusses his career from investment banking to Audax Private Equity, and Minneapolis deal community.

October 22, 2024 53 min 47 sec

Episode 56

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Bill Browder

Hermitage Capital Management

Bill Browder, largest investor in Russia, became Putin foe after his attorney, Sergei Magnitsky, was killed. He championed the Magnitsky Act against human rights abuses.

September 17, 2024 50 min 44 sec

Episode 55

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Les Alexander

Jefferson Capital & UVA Darden

Les Alexander's life journey from New Orleans to Virginia, discussing careers, New Orleans pronunciation, and teaching.

August 12, 2024 50 min 38 sec

Episode 54

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Gabriel Gomez

O2X Human Performance

Gabriel Gomez: Navy pilot, SEAL, US-Senate candidate, CEO of O2X Human Performance. Discusses military service and business success.

July 25, 2024 56 min 0 sec

Episode 53

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Jeff Giles

Core & Main

Jeff Giles, EVP at Core & Main, discusses M&A, career, and the St. Louis Blues' 2019 Stanley Cup win.

June 24, 2024 51 min 53 sec
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Meet our hosts

Hosted by longtime friends and industry veterans Charlie Gifford of New Heritage Capital and Andy Greenberg of Greenberg Variations Capital, Middle Market Musings blends insight with humor – equal parts informative and entertaining.

While Charlie and Andy have no plans to quit their day jobs (or become media darlings), the podcast has struck a chord with listeners, lasting far longer than even they expected—and showing no signs of slowing down. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

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