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Episode 88 Emily Holdman, Permanent Equity

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Emily Holdman

Permanent Equity

Emily Holdman discusses the firm’s long-term investment philosophy, her journey from journalism and marketing into private equity, and how Permanent Equity’s patient capital model sets it apart in the market.

May 27, 2026 53:56
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Episode 42

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Jim Apple

The Sterling Group

Jim Apple of The Sterling Group discusses private equity, acquisitions, and recommends the Black Pumas.

November 16, 2023 45 min 52 sec

Episode 41

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Jim Andersen

Clearview Capital

Jim Andersen of Clearview Capital discusses early career, fund strategy, and firm culture.

November 2, 2023 43 min 25 sec

Episode 40

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Rob Brown

Lincoln International

Rob Brown (CEO of Lincoln International) discusses his career and firm, plus the "science of the pitch."

October 19, 2023 46 min 24 sec

Episode 39

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Nishen Radia

B. Riley Securities

Middle Market Musings' third season launches with Nishen Radia, Co-Head of M&A at B. Riley Securities.

September 28, 2023 44 min 53 sec

Episode 38

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Chris Burbach

Fundamental Income

Chris Burbach, Co-founder/CEO of Fundamental Income, discusses real estate monetization.

July 20, 2023 34 min 35 sec

Episode 37

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Ted Kramer

HKW

CEO Ted Kramer discusses his firm's history, his past as a professional hockey player, and his career path in private equity.

June 21, 2023 45 min 59 sec

Episode 36

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Devin Mathews

ParkerGale

Devin Mathews (ParkerGale co-founder) discusses private equity, market state, and producing a podcast.

June 8, 2023 49 min 57 sec

Episode 35b

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Michelle Eidson

Crest Rock Partners

Michelle discusses how Crest Rock, a PE fund, established a market presence during the pandemic.

May 25, 2023 28 min 35 sec

Episode 35a

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Bruce Fenton

Troutman Pepper

Bruce, an M&A lawyer, discusses marketing, law firm platforms, and his amusing encounter with Peyton Manning.

May 25, 2023 31 min 16 sec

Episode 35c

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Parker Weil

TD Cowen

Parker discusses market views and Cowen's integration into TD; a Jerry Garcia vs. Bob Weir debate ensues.

May 25, 2023 27 min 15 sec

Episode 34

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David Welinsky

Monroe Capital

Andy and Charlie interview David Welinsky of Monroe Capital about private credit and middle market finance.

May 11, 2023 30 min 58 sec

Episode 33

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Jay Weinstein

EisnerAmper

Jay Weinstein discusses M&A, acquisitions, and building value in a professional services firm.

April 27, 2023 40 min 33 sec
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Meet our hosts

Hosted by longtime friends and industry veterans Charlie Gifford of New Heritage Capital and Andy Greenberg of Greenberg Variations Capital, Middle Market Musings blends insight with humor – equal parts informative and entertaining.

While Charlie and Andy have no plans to quit their day jobs (or become media darlings), the podcast has struck a chord with listeners, lasting far longer than even they expected—and showing no signs of slowing down. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

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