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Episode 88 Emily Holdman, Permanent Equity

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Emily Holdman

Permanent Equity

Emily Holdman discusses the firm’s long-term investment philosophy, her journey from journalism and marketing into private equity, and how Permanent Equity’s patient capital model sets it apart in the market.

May 27, 2026 53:56
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Episode 32

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Gretchen Perkins (Avance Investment Management) discusses PE, deal sourcing, Avance's strategy, and life after PE.

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Episode 31

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Chad Gifford

Bank of America

Charles K. Gifford discusses banking system tempests, SVB failure, and the 2009 financial crisis.

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Episode 30

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Andrea Auerbach

Cambridge Associates

Andrea Auerbach of Cambridge Associates discusses private equity trends, co-investing, and specialization.

February 23, 2023 53 min 34 sec

Episode 29

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Matt Carroll

WestView Capital Partners

Matt Carroll (WestView Capital) discusses private equity, firm evolution, passions, and Boston sports.

January 26, 2023 47 min 4 sec

Episode 28

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Ed Bagdasarian

Intrepid Investment Bankers

Investment banking luminary Ed Bagdasarian discusses his career, family story, and building successful banks.

December 7, 2022 48 min 27 sec

Episode 27

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Rusty Goodsell

New Orchard LLC

New Orchard CEO Rusty Goodsell discusses organizational culture and the "quality of organization" approach.

November 21, 2022 34 min 5 sec

Episode 26

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Pete Stavros

KKR

Pete Stavros (KKR/Ownership Works) discusses global vs. middle-market PE and wealth creation at work.

October 27, 2022 49 min 47 sec

Episode 25

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Parker Weil

Cowen

Parker Weil discusses three decades in M&A, including his role at Cowen and its sale to TD Bank.

October 12, 2022 39 min 41 sec

Episode 24

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Jeffrey Stevenson

VSS Capital Partners

Jeffrey Stevenson of VSS Capital Partners discusses M&A, principal investing, and TV Guide's sale.

September 28, 2022 37 min 15 sec

Episode 23

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Tom Bohn

ACG Global

Tom Bohn discusses M&A, trade association management, and desert island albums with Andy and Charlie.

September 8, 2022 47 min 43 sec

Episode 22

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Tarrus Richardson

IMB Partners

Tarrus Richardson discusses his deal-making career, from family business roots to founding IMB Partners PE fund.

June 16, 2022 46 min 5 sec

Episode 21

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Chris Williams

Avesi Partners

Chris Williams discusses his career in M&A with Harris Williams and his current role at Avesi Partners PE fund.

May 13, 2022 46 min 14 sec
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Meet our hosts

Hosted by longtime friends and industry veterans Charlie Gifford of New Heritage Capital and Andy Greenberg of Greenberg Variations Capital, Middle Market Musings blends insight with humor – equal parts informative and entertaining.

While Charlie and Andy have no plans to quit their day jobs (or become media darlings), the podcast has struck a chord with listeners, lasting far longer than even they expected—and showing no signs of slowing down. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

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